Wednesday, August 5, 2009

What the Clinton trip was really all about

I'll cut straight to the chase. The US president is a shrewd politician who sent Bill Clinton to North Korea in order to create such a huge story in the press that it would completely overshadow the fact that Obama's Kenyan birth certificate has been found.


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10 comments:

  1. Well, it's not like the Kenyan Government is well known for its transparency and lack of corruption. I would imagine, for a couple hundred Kenyan Shillings, I could get my own Kenyan Certificate of Birth.

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  2. You can't spell Shinbone without N-O.

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  3. To be fair, this is not the first supposed Kenya birth certificate of Obama's. The same site admits that one released earlier was fraudulent.

    It could simply be that the forgers have gotten better. It's also possible that this is a report of Obama's birth even if he wasn't born there, perhaps (and I'm speculating) so his father could assure he'd get citizenship in Kenya if he wanted it.

    I think it wouldn't be hard to falsely say he was born in some Kenyan hospital than to get the Hawaii state authorities to falsely claim he was born in Honolulu.

    I also wonder why people don't check records of Obama's mother supposedly going to Kenya. And seriously, not to disparage the Kenyans or anything, but what American in 1961 would walk away from the opportunity to give birth in a stateside hospital to give birth in Kenya? In 1961?!

    I'm going to start adding a DISCLAIMER to these stories: Even if it is sufficiently demonstrated that Barack Hussein Obama was in fact born in Kenya, that does not negate the fact that he is a native-born citizen of the United States, as his mother was a US citizen (and a native-born one at that). Case closed, no matter what.

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  4. Matthew, we should all get Kenyan birth certificates, just for sh¡ts and giggles.

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  5. probably the work of some imbeciles who until now cant accept the fact that Obama is their president...

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  6. There are ways that children may not be U.S. citizens even with a USC parent. Usually, though, it is when they only have one parent who is a U.S. citizen and this parent did not meet the U.S. residency requirements (living a set amount of years in the U.S. with some of them occurring after the age of 14).

    This is from the USCIS.gov website:

    3. Through birth abroad to ONE United States citizen
    In most cases, you are a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:

    •One of your parents was a U.S. citizen when you were born;
    •Your citizen parent lived at least 5 years in the United States before you were born; and
    •At least 2 of these 5 years in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday.*

    * If you were born before November 14, 1986, you are a citizen if your U.S. citizen parent lived in the United States for at least 10 years and 5 of those years in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday.

    http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=9424d88de8c9f010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=96719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

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  7. If that is the case, then this is not so cut-and-dry, though ultimately it would go in his favor. Probably.

    Since Obama's mother was 18 years and 2 months (plus change) when Barack Obama was born, so it would be impossible for her to have "lived in the United States for at least 10 years and 5 of those years in the United States were after your citizen parent's 14th birthday," even if she'd never left the US.

    She clearly lived more than five years in the US after Barack was born, but not before. It's impossible for her to have met that rule because she was under 19 (14 + 5).

    So if a teenaged American under 19 has a baby in another country, that child is not an American? That seems harsh and draconian, and it certainly isn't the case now (the post-1986 rules that you gave).

    Still, with Stanley Ann Obama's parents living in Hawaii, it just seems quite far-fetched that she would traipse off to Kenya while pregnant and have the baby there.

    Again, state officials in Hawaii confirm Obama's birth in the City and County of Honolulu (the longest city in the world).

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  8. I was just giving you the single U.S. citizen parent information that the U.S. Congress passed into law years ago. It is available on the USCIS.gov website.

    I know he was born in Hawaii, or he never would have made it into the Oval Office. These morons are just clinging to false hope. It would have been the same thing from the other side of the aisle had the old geezer won back in November, except with Panama in the place of Kenya. However, the old coot did have two U.S. citizen parents which made his citizenship official as long as he officially claimed it by age 21, if they hadn't done it for him before then.

    Now, you know why so many people from Mexico (and even South Korean) want their kids born firmly in the U.S. Instant U. S. citizenship without worrying about the citizenship of the parents.

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  9. John from Taejŏn wrote:
    It would have been the same thing from the other side of the aisle had the old geezer won back in November, except with Panama in the place of Kenya.

    Respectfully, I don't buy that. 2000 was a fluke in terms of contesting an election, and there simply would not have been the impetus there in 2008. Because there was no question about where he was born and previously passed laws made it clear he was a natural-born citizen.

    Furthermore, and I'd say this is a more important concern, I think the whole Obama-born-in-Kenya meme is rooted in a type of xenophobia and racism that simply does not exist on the Democratic side (not that no Democrats have racist tendencies, but not this racist tendency). It's like how you find the people wanting to change the jus solis tradition (that many feel is written into the Constitution) primarily on the right, not the left.

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